tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-303926042024-03-21T17:25:56.350+00:00Gun EngravingHow to get the best gun engraving, gold inlay and all forms of embellishment for your needs.Keith Thomashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17559936794129535862noreply@blogger.comBlogger9125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30392604.post-26770898752356213682017-10-19T14:33:00.000+01:002017-10-19T14:33:59.168+01:00<div class="separator" style="clear: both; text-align: center;">
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<b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">Gun Engraving
Demonstration in the </b><st1:country-region><st1:place><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;">USA</b></st1:place></st1:country-region><b style="mso-bidi-font-weight: normal;"></b></div>
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In the spring of 2017 I was invited to demonstrate the way I
engrave guns at the Southern Side by Side Classic held at <st1:place>Deep River</st1:place>
in <st1:state><st1:place>North Carolina</st1:place></st1:state>, <st1:country-region><st1:place>USA</st1:place></st1:country-region>.<span style="margin: 0px;"> </span>Can I say at the beginning that I could not
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Atkin, Grant & Lang invited me to be on their stand and
sponsored me. Thank you to them for that and for giving me a great time.</div>
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The method I use to engrave guns is one that seems to be
dropping out of favour as the new generation of engravers are using air-powered
tools. I have tried them but I think the traditional method of pushing the tool
with hand pressure is better as it is easier to give character to the engraving
when you are getting the feed back from the tool directly. Also I can pack a
basic set of tools (excluding my pad) into a 9 x 5.5 x 2.5 inch cigar box which
is much more portable than some engravers’ set ups.</div>
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My table at the show was always busy with people (who were
very well informed) asking questions about the work or how I started and often
quite technical things about tools and technique.</div>
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Thank you to all the people at <st1:place>Deep River</st1:place>
for making me feel so welcome and at ease.</div>
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Engraving with other peoples artwork</div>
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Owning a picture from a favourite artist can be a very
rewarding thing; you have something nice to hang on the wall as well as
(hopefully) a good investment. This doesn’t have to be the end of it though. You
could use the artwork as an inspiration for some engraving on your gun, with
the permission of the artist of course. Just recently I have finished a
commission that started out this way. The customer had four drawings by Simon
Gudgeon of grouse and partridge and wanted them to be used as the game scenes
on his pair of guns, I signed the engraving with my monogram and a reproduction
of the artist’s signature. So now the customer has both the engraving he likes
as well as the artist all on his guns. Coincidentally, I am just about to start
a gun with fine scroll engraving and a woodcock illustration specially
commissioned by another well known artist that this time knew that it was to be
engraved on a gun, this has the advantage that it can be designed with the
shape and scale of a shotgun in mined, so that screws and other bits of the gun
do not intrude on important parts of the scene.</div>Keith Thomashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17559936794129535862noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30392604.post-40270347896742841912010-05-26T16:02:00.003+01:002011-01-20T14:17:11.723+00:00Engraving initials on your gun<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEinTgj2VeSZcWHq6w1Gj7VbMphwL6JH5A0yADOd1yT-nuB3Y0NbNCs631um6tyQDhCK1gFdDH5fux_tRZzA0_4ahzI1srjnxpKfqQKTPLnoOU9S0AchBjXmTawUXvKGeFvg5J3bsg/s1600/IMG_0683.JPG"><br /></a><br />The gun maker usually provides a small gold or silver oval shaped plaque inlayed into the stock. This is for the engraving of initials, coats of arms or dedications of some sort. If you talk to the engraver they will be able to show you many different styles of lettering and maybe help you choose between them. They will also be able to design you a monogram using your initials making them into a pleasing pattern. If the plaque is already engraved and you do not want to remove it then ether a new plaque can be inlayed or initials or crests can be cut out and inlayed directly into the stock.<br /><br /><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEinTgj2VeSZcWHq6w1Gj7VbMphwL6JH5A0yADOd1yT-nuB3Y0NbNCs631um6tyQDhCK1gFdDH5fux_tRZzA0_4ahzI1srjnxpKfqQKTPLnoOU9S0AchBjXmTawUXvKGeFvg5J3bsg/s1600/IMG_0683.JPG"><img style="display: block; margin: 0px auto 10px; text-align: center; cursor: pointer; width: 240px; height: 320px;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEinTgj2VeSZcWHq6w1Gj7VbMphwL6JH5A0yADOd1yT-nuB3Y0NbNCs631um6tyQDhCK1gFdDH5fux_tRZzA0_4ahzI1srjnxpKfqQKTPLnoOU9S0AchBjXmTawUXvKGeFvg5J3bsg/s320/IMG_0683.JPG" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5475595724402982850" border="0" /></a><br /><p>In the illustrated here the initials and crest were cut out of gold and inlayed, crest on top of the stock near the heal. </p>Keith Thomashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17559936794129535862noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30392604.post-81766977828364364252007-03-30T14:00:00.001+01:002008-04-02T14:29:03.955+01:00Gold on Guns<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiWjcmyyMLbGcoCDvvJPvwZ6AT-exLR4B_y-AgdYB7G-ZIzvDgij3fymk3IrR3yoeLdLYvK-D9H18auNzg7ATc1AJEdgq0Eqil7A5MQi0P3aIVPMg8htl93bq8ONAnS2DWA5Ku8Kw/s1600-h/gold-gun.jpg"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEiWjcmyyMLbGcoCDvvJPvwZ6AT-exLR4B_y-AgdYB7G-ZIzvDgij3fymk3IrR3yoeLdLYvK-D9H18auNzg7ATc1AJEdgq0Eqil7A5MQi0P3aIVPMg8htl93bq8ONAnS2DWA5Ku8Kw/s320/gold-gun.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5184639360914467906" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><p class="MsoNormal"><br /></p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">One of the confusing things about gold on guns is that there is more than one way of putting it there - inlaid into the surface or laid on to the surface of the steel. <span style=""> </span>So with that in mind inlaid gold (or other metals) should have a mechanical hold on the gun. </p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">The way this is achieved with on lay - or damascening as it is better known - is to roughen the surface in the same manner that files were made in times past – with a series of parallel cuts at three different angles, which gives hundreds of very small teeth that grip the gold.<span style=""> </span>The problem is that it works best with very thin gold and that has a tendency to wear out and get caught in things. </p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">With true inlay a recess is made for the gold with a dovetail around the outside and when the gold is hammered in it is forced into the dovetail and is locked in place. This means that you can use much thicker gold and even have it above the surface of the gun so it can be carved back to any form you like or left flush and engraved. Some inlay work uses different metals inlaid together or gold in different colours but it should be remembered that a gun is meant to be used as well as looked at and gold will wear in time with heavy use. </p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal" style="text-align: justify;">The reason that we do not stick it there with glue or solder is that the guns are case hardened by heating up to red heat for a couple of hours in bone charcoal, then dropped into a bath of cold water so that the carbon migrates to the surface of the steel giving the steel (but not the gold) a glass hard finish and this would cause the gold to fall off.<span style=""> </span></p>Keith Thomashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17559936794129535862noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30392604.post-1159364176668098822006-09-27T14:30:00.000+01:002006-09-27T14:58:08.196+01:00<div style="text-align: center;"><a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2324/3259/1600/109_0922.jpg"><img style="cursor: pointer;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2324/3259/320/109_0922.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></a><br /></div><div style="text-align: center;"><span style="font-size:85%;">A new Holland & Holland gun I finished recently</span></div>Keith Thomashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17559936794129535862noreply@blogger.com1tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30392604.post-1159273687865949152006-09-26T13:24:00.000+01:002006-09-27T14:24:10.810+01:00<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2324/3259/1600/WR-elephants.jpg"><img style="display:block; margin:0px auto 10px; text-align:center;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2324/3259/320/WR-elephants.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></a><br />“Can you add some more engraving to my gun?”<br /><br />This is a question that most engravers are asked and it is a very difficult one to answer. Engraving of guns usually takes place near the end of its manufacture – the next process is to case harden and then polish before final assembly. So when I am asked to engrave on a gun that has been “finished” I try and explain why it’s not such a good idea. That said, some guns are not hardened all over as part of the manufacturing process (the trigger guard for instance), and some guns not at all. It is possible to anneal or soften a gun that has been hardened but the process is not for the feint hearted as the intense heat can warp the metal as the stresses are relieved; this would need the attention of a very skilled gunsmith to correct. Get good advice.<br /><br />Most of the time when I am asked to enhance a gun that has already been engraved it’s because the customer has decided to have something personal added to it – maybe initials or armorials engraved on the small gold oval in the stock or gold inlay on the trigger guard. These should not be a problem. Guns without the gold oval can either have one fitted or the initials can be cut out of gold sheet and inlaid into the woodwork. All engravers can carry out this type of work which can make an interesting break between the bigger jobs that often take many weeks.Keith Thomashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17559936794129535862noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30392604.post-1152897313721990562006-07-14T18:10:00.000+01:002006-09-26T13:34:31.340+01:00<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2324/3259/1600/SilverwireStock%20copy.jpg"><img style="float:left; margin:0 10px 10px 0;cursor:pointer; cursor:hand;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2324/3259/320/SilverwireStock%20copy.jpg" border="0" alt="" /></a><br /> <p class="MsoNormal">Thinking about the Pattern</p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">The gunmakers here in the <st1:country-region><st1:place>UK</st1:place></st1:country-region> all have their own house styles of engraving and their guns can often be recognised from a distance by these patterns. This said, all the gunmakers are willing to put almost any style of engraving on their guns that the customer wants. Here the art of gentle persuasion comes in; you may think that the customer is always right and that is how he should feel, but some things are not such a good idea when engraved on or gold inlayed into guns. Please think what it will look like, not just for a few months after you get your gun back, but in a few years time when you have been looking at it a lot and your friends have all seen it.</p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">This is one of the reasons that the standard patterns came about. They give a good sense of identity with the gunmaker, have a wide appeal and as the guns get older they acquire a nice patina that enhances the look of the engraving and therefore the gun. Game scenes and gold inlay work all have their place in an embellisher's work, but they should be thought about very carefully and if possible discussed with the engraver. </p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">Think about what you have seen and liked on other guns and more important not liked. Do you like the tight fine scroll work with or without roses, or do you prefer the open scrolls with a dark background that forms a contrast, acanthus leaf, strap-work or a bit of a mixture. You may have a favourite corner on your shoot and that could be used as the back ground to a pheasant scene. The choice is yours, but think carefully and be prepared to change your mind after you have spoken to the engraver.</p>Keith Thomashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17559936794129535862noreply@blogger.com0tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30392604.post-1152016905398458712006-07-04T13:38:00.000+01:002007-03-30T14:15:59.277+01:00<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgv0uhk_ZFd0xtYn7FCD0YFF3zzqkqxaymg_ybnkLDHMTh5vmcHDuhwilXFIdZYrvXiLNsy_RZOfL3U1vep9zTrZXYcqr-eV9cqA3zpWtC3CH8hCd9oaQOlbjWrKpKZuLqSRRIjNA/s1600-h/108_0872-2+copy.jpg"><img style="margin: 0px auto 10px; display: block; text-align: center; cursor: pointer;" src="https://blogger.googleusercontent.com/img/b/R29vZ2xl/AVvXsEgv0uhk_ZFd0xtYn7FCD0YFF3zzqkqxaymg_ybnkLDHMTh5vmcHDuhwilXFIdZYrvXiLNsy_RZOfL3U1vep9zTrZXYcqr-eV9cqA3zpWtC3CH8hCd9oaQOlbjWrKpKZuLqSRRIjNA/s320/108_0872-2+copy.jpg" alt="" id="BLOGGER_PHOTO_ID_5047705611610074610" border="0" /></a><br /><br /><img src="file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Keith%20Thomas/My%20Documents/images%20-%20work/PNelson/nelsonjune06/108_0872%20copy.jpg" alt="" /><img src="file:///C:/Documents%20and%20Settings/Keith%20Thomas/My%20Documents/images%20-%20work/PNelson/nelsonjune06/108_0872%20copy.jpg" alt="" /> <p class="MsoNormal">What to Look for in Engraving</p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">It can be a bit daunting to try and see all there is in the more complex patterns that are used by engravers to decorate guns. Most people just look out for scrolls that, instead of a nice even line, are rough or a corner instead of a curve. The thing to remember is that the engraver is only looking at a part of it at a time – so instead of trying to read the word, he is looking at parts of one of the letters. </p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">This can help when trying to appreciate the engraving you are looking at. Try and look for an overall flow that runs through the engraving and then look at the details – the way the intertwining scrolls go behind on another and sometimes emerge on a different part of the gun. The more the pattern moves in and out of itself the more time the engraver has spent designing it and working on it generally, and that means it will probably cost more. But it also means that the pattern is more interesting and you will be able to look at it again and again, seeing something new each time. Look at the game scenes, are the birds as you remember them when you last saw them? Are the eyes too big or too small for the head? Have you seen trees look that? Has the engraver arranged things so that there is a screw head in the most important part of the scene? Look at the edges of the gold work, is it clean and tidy? Are there what could be loose bits? Now put it down (I know that will be hard) move away (harder yet) can you still see what the engraver was trying to get across, dose it work as an embellished gun? </p> <p class="MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p> <p class="MsoNormal">That’s what we look for and so should you and if it's not right let the engraver know. We need your feed back or we will keep on making the same mistakes and you will stop giving us work.</p>Keith Thomashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17559936794129535862noreply@blogger.com2tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-30392604.post-1151506918546071162006-06-28T15:44:00.000+01:002007-02-06T15:12:08.326+00:00<a onblur="try {parent.deselectBloggerImageGracefully();} catch(e) {}" href="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2324/3259/1600/Boss.jpg"><img style="margin: 0pt 0pt 10px 10px; float: right; cursor: pointer;" src="http://photos1.blogger.com/blogger/2324/3259/320/Boss.jpg" alt="" border="0" /></a><br /><p class="MsoNormal">So, you want some engraving done; you have a gun or have one on order and the sales person has given you the chat about how wonderful it's all going to be. You take delivery of your pride and joy, and it's far from wonderful, the instructions about the type of engraving, the way the game scenes are arranged or the amount of gold that has or has not been inlayed is all wrong. What should you have done? Well talk personally to the engraver is always a good start, we don't bite: well not often. Any good engraver that cares about what they are doing will want to give the customer the finished job that will make them both proud. So talk and get to find out what sort of engraving your chosen engraver likes to do or more important what they do not like to do. You will be surprised at the sort of things that can be done, I have studied the engraving that has been done on antique guns and can now duplicate the techniques of the old masters, including the silver wire inlay that was put into the wood work. These, as well as traditional and more modern patterns will give my customers something they can enjoy for years to come.</p><p class="MsoNormal">Keith<br /></p>Keith Thomashttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17559936794129535862noreply@blogger.com1